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08:03:48 AM Presentation: Alaska Energy Authority
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON ENERGY                                                                              
                       February 12, 2014                                                                                        
                           8:02 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Doug Isaacson, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Neal Foster                                                                                                      
Representative Pete Higgins                                                                                                     
Representative Shelley Hughes                                                                                                   
Representative Benjamin Nageak                                                                                                  
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Charisse Millett, Co-Chair                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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PRESENTATION:  ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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PRESENTATION:  ALASKA INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND EXPORT                                                                         
AUTHORITY AND ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
GENE THERRIAULT, Deputy Director                                                                                                
Statewide Energy Policy Development                                                                                             
Alaska Energy Authority (AEA)                                                                                                   
Department of Commerce, Community & Economic Development (DCCED)                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided a presentation on Alaska                                                                        
Transmission Issues, and answered questions; participated in the                                                                
Interior Energy Project (IEP) overview, and answered questions.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MARK DAVIS, Deputy Director                                                                                                     
Infrastructure Development                                                                                                      
Alaska Industrial Development and Export Authority (AIDEA)                                                                      
Department of Commerce, Community & Economic Development (DCCED)                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Provided an overview of  the Interior Energy                                                            
Project (IEP) and answered questions.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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8:02:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  DOUG ISAACSON  called  the  House Special  Committee  on                                                            
Energy meeting to  order at 8:02 a.m.   Representatives Josephson,                                                              
Hughes, Nageak,  and Isaacson were  present at the call  to order.                                                              
Representatives Higgins  and Foster arrived as the  meeting was in                                                              
progress.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:  ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY                                                                                         
             PRESENTATION:  ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:03:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ISAACSON  announced that  the  first order  of  business                                                              
would be  a presentation by the  Alaska Energy Authority  (AEA) on                                                              
Alaska Transmission Issues.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:04:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GENE  THERRIAULT,   Deputy  Director,   Statewide  Energy   Policy                                                              
Development, (AEA),  Department of Commerce, Community  & Economic                                                              
Development   (DCCED),  directed   attention  to  the   PowerPoint                                                              
presentation   entitled,  "Alaska   Transmission  Issues,"   dated                                                              
2/12/14.   Mr. Therriault  said  the report would  cover work  AEA                                                              
has  been  doing  on the  transmission  system  in  the  Railbelt,                                                              
specifically  on  the infrastructure  needs  and  the benefits  to                                                              
consumers.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 8:05 a.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:05:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  explained  that one  of the issues  for Alaska  is                                                              
the distance  required to  transmit power from  its source  to the                                                              
user, for example,  the Railbelt transmission system  from Bradley                                                              
Lake Hydroelectric  Project (Bradley Lake) in Homer  to the Golden                                                              
Valley system  is 580 miles.   Also, there are  governance issues,                                                              
and  upgrades  to   infrastructure  are  needed   to  improve  the                                                              
reliability  and  the  capacity  of  the system  [slide  2].    In                                                              
response  to  Co-Chair   Isaacson,  he  addressed   the  issue  of                                                              
governance.    Over  time,  as  the  different  utilities  in  the                                                              
Railbelt built  systems, there were  gaps in the  linkages between                                                              
systems.   The state owns  over 170 miles  of transmission  line -                                                              
from Wasilla  to Healy -  which is committed  to use by  the local                                                              
utilities so  they can  transmit power up  and down  the Railbelt.                                                              
Thereby  the utilities  are linked  and power  can be  transmitted                                                              
from Homer  to Fairbanks.   However, the individual  components of                                                              
this system  are owned  by utilities.   The goal  is to  achieve a                                                              
system  of governance  that will  allow  all of  the components  -                                                              
those  owned by  the  utilities and  the state  -  to be  operated                                                              
efficiently  together.    Ideally,   this  type  of  system  could                                                              
utilize the cheapest  source of power at various times  of the day                                                              
and  night through  economic dispatch.    Economic dispatch  sends                                                              
the  cheapest source  of  power up  and down  the  system for  the                                                              
benefit  of the  consumers.   For  about the  last  30 years,  the                                                              
utilities have  been linked  together by contractual  arrangements                                                              
that have  allowed the system  to function,  but the need  for new                                                              
capital  infrastructure  has  prompted  a  move  to  a  system  of                                                              
governance.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:09:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIGGINS  recalled  that  the  "choke  point"  when                                                              
transmitting power  from Homer to Fairbanks, is  a 26-mile section                                                              
in [Talkeetna], which  needs to be upgraded by  the local utility.                                                              
He  asked what  the state  can  do to  eliminate  choke points  in                                                              
order  for  the  power to  "free-flow  both  directions  back  and                                                              
forth."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT  advised the  worst  problem  is on  the  southern                                                              
portion  of  the transmission  line  to  transmit the  power  from                                                              
Bradly   Lake.     Later  in   the   presentation  are   suggested                                                              
improvements,  expansions, and  additions to  the existing  system                                                              
that will  provide redundancy,  and expand  the capacity  so power                                                              
can  move  up  and  down the  Railbelt  without  hindrance.    Mr.                                                              
Therriault  pointed   out  that   the  utilities  have   increased                                                              
generation  and do  not have  the  economic ability  to invest  in                                                              
transmission  infrastructure, so  they have  approached the  state                                                              
for financial assistance.   He said policymakers feel  that if the                                                              
state is  expected to put  money into improving  transmission, the                                                              
state  should seek  an  improvement  in the  governance  structure                                                              
also, to ensure that consumers will benefit.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:12:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUGHES  noted  that  Homer  Electric  Association,                                                              
Inc.  (HEA),   and  Matanuska   Electric  Association   (MEA)  are                                                              
generating   their  own   power,  and  asked   how  this   affects                                                              
governance issues.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  responded that when  HEA began generating  its own                                                              
power,  the bottleneck  in the southern  end  of the district  was                                                              
exacerbated.   All  of the  utilities have  a share  of the  power                                                              
from Bradley  Lake, and the power  in excess of HEA's  share needs                                                              
to  travel  up  the  intertie  and   off  the  Kenai  [Peninsula];                                                              
previously,  Chugach  Electric  Association,  Inc.  (Chugach)  was                                                              
able to power swap  with HEA, and rather than send  power south to                                                              
HEA, HEA was allocated  a portion of Chugach's share.   That meant                                                              
Chugach could  send power  to the utilities  at the  northern end;                                                              
this power  swap made  the system work.  Now, with HEA  generating                                                              
its own power,  there is no power  swap.  The utilities  can still                                                              
get their  shares of the  cheaper Bradley  Lake power, but  not at                                                              
the  ideal  times for  the  highest  benefit  to consumers.    Mr.                                                              
Therriault  restated that  improving the  capacity and  redundancy                                                              
of the system will allow power to be available at optimal times.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT, returning  to the issue of governance,  noted that                                                              
because AEA  owns a  part of  the intertie  system along  with the                                                              
utilities,  it is a  member of the  Intertie Management  Committee                                                              
(IMC).    This   committee,  over  several  years,   has  codified                                                              
reliability standards  for the intertie,  for instance, on  how to                                                              
merge power.    At  this time, the  reliability standards  are not                                                              
complete  but  have been  adopted  by  IMC  and submitted  to  the                                                              
Regulatory  Commission of  Alaska (RCA).    Although  IMC  has the                                                              
authority  for the  170-mile section  of intertie  that the  state                                                              
owns,  the compliance  and  adoption of  the  regulations for  the                                                              
sections  of  intertie  owned  by   the  individual  utilities  is                                                              
voluntary.   He advised that "...  the governance problem  [is] we                                                              
don't have  an entity that is  empowered to establish  these rules                                                              
of the road for  the entire system; we have to  at this point just                                                              
sort of rely  on voluntary compliance and adoption."   Further, as                                                              
independent  power producers  (IPPs)  seek  access, and  utilities                                                              
want to sell  power to each other,  rules and an entity  in charge                                                              
become necessary.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:17:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   ISAACSON   asked   whether    the   Alaska   Industrial                                                              
Development  and  Export  Authority  (AIDEA)  and  AEA  considered                                                              
other alternatives  - such as conditioning lines to  allow for the                                                              
transmission  of more  power -  before  recommending building  new                                                              
transmission lines.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT  said  the  following  projects  are  a  blend  of                                                              
improvements  to  the existing  infrastructure  and  building  new                                                              
infrastructure.   A  consultant to  AEA evaluated  the system  and                                                              
recommended  improvements that  would result  in an ideal  system.                                                              
The  first   part  of   the  system   is  the  southern   section:                                                              
Unconstraining Bradley  Lake Projects.   Bradley Lake is  owned by                                                              
the  state  and  operated  in  conjunction   with  the  utilities.                                                              
Components  of the Unconstraining  Bradley  Lake projects  total a                                                              
capital cost of  over $402 million with the purpose  of increasing                                                              
capacity and  reliability; in some  areas, a second line  would be                                                              
added to carry the  load if needed [slide 3].   The second part is                                                              
the Anchorage Municipal  Light and Power (ML&P),  Chugach, and MEA                                                              
section:   Southcentral Projects, estimated  at a capital  cost of                                                              
over  $20 million  to  improve  the  capacity of  two  substations                                                              
[slide 4].   The  third part  is the northern  section:   Northern                                                              
Projects.   Components of  the Northern  Projects total  a capital                                                              
cost  of  over $480  million,  and  are  also needed  to  increase                                                              
capacity and reliability [slide 5].                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:21:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  advised that the  following "number  crunching" is                                                              
based  on assumptions  used only  for  evaluation purposes  [slide                                                              
6].   He turned to  the evaluation of  the consumer impact  of the                                                              
project:   the   cost   of  the   Unconstraining   Bradley   Lake,                                                              
Southcentral  Projects,   and  Northern  Projects   totals  $903.4                                                              
million;  the project would  benefit the  entire Railbelt  system;                                                              
and the  project is  separated into  two phases  [slide 7].   Base                                                              
assumptions  for  the project  are:   total  capital  expenditures                                                              
(CAPEX)  cost  is  $903  million;   additional  operating  expense                                                              
(OPEX)  for maintenance  and  operation is  over  $18 million  per                                                              
year; financing at  5 percent; a bond term of  30 years; inflation                                                              
at 2.5 percent;  and total output of power in the  Railbelt of 4.8                                                              
gigawatts  [slide 8].   As an  aside, he  stressed that  the costs                                                              
and benefits  are spread over all  of the consumers evenly  in the                                                              
Railbelt,  "not to  say that  that  necessarily would  be the  way                                                              
things  are, are  done, but  again just  so that  we could  crunch                                                              
these numbers ...."   The estimation of the overall  total benefit                                                              
to the  consumers in  the Railbelt  on a  yearly basis  is between                                                              
$146 million  and $241 million per  year; in fact, if  this system                                                              
is in  place in 2016, power  could be economically  dispatched for                                                              
the aforementioned  result  [slide 9].   He noted  that the  cost-                                                              
benefit  analysis  was done  without  the potential  of  [Susitna-                                                              
Watana  Hydro]  and  the proposed  transmission  system  would  be                                                              
utilized if  Susitna-Watana Hydro were  built.  For  the consumer,                                                              
depending on  the term of the  financing, the savings  are between                                                              
$0.015 and  $0.035 per kilowatt.   However, the utilities  and RCA                                                              
have estimated  a more  conservative benefit  to the consumers  of                                                              
$100 million.   If, in fact,  these improvements were in  place by                                                              
2015,  the cost would  be lowered  to the  consumer through  their                                                              
rates, but  there would  be no  way for  the utilities  to capture                                                              
the savings  and pay for the  improvements to the  infrastructure.                                                              
Mr. Therriault  concluded  his presentation  with slide 11,  which                                                              
depicted  the impact  on rates,  the cost of  the components,  and                                                              
the savings to consumers.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:28:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT,  in response  to Representative  Nageak,  said the                                                              
transmission  lines going south  from Anchorage  are owned  by the                                                              
individual  utilities, and  the portion of  the transmission  line                                                              
owned by the state is from Wasilla to Healy.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NAGEAK  asked whether funding for  the transmission                                                              
lines came from  the state to the utilities, or  whether the lines                                                              
were built by the state for the utilities.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  said portions of  the lines were built  using some                                                              
state   funds  and   grants,  such   as  AEA   grants  that   were                                                              
appropriated for  improvements to  lines; however, utilities  have                                                              
also  invested  their  money in  components  of  the  transmission                                                              
line.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NAGEAK   surmised  the  upkeep  is   paid  by  the                                                              
utilities.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT answered  yes, and  explained  the utilities  have                                                              
rates for  shipping power over the  lines they own, and  the state                                                              
charges the  utilities for shipping  power over the lines  it owns                                                              
to pay for maintenance and operations.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ISAACSON  interjected  that  economic  dispatch  reduces                                                              
rates, but then the utilities cannot pay their debt service.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT  said  correct.   In  response  to  Representative                                                              
Nageak, he said  the utilities do pay into the  system through the                                                              
tariffs  that are charged  to use  the transmission  system.   For                                                              
the  infrastructure  that  exists today,  the  construction  costs                                                              
have been paid  by a mix of  the utilities' and state  money.  The                                                              
portion  owned by  the state  was paid  for by state  money.   Mr.                                                              
Therriault advised  that at this  point the utilities do  not have                                                              
much  capacity to  bond and  borrow money  for improvements,  thus                                                              
they have  come to  the legislature  with a  capital request.   He                                                              
added that the  improvements under discussion would  take about 10                                                              
years to  build and  the utilities  seek a  mechanism in  place to                                                              
guarantee that they would reach their stated goal.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:34:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   HIGGINS  asked   how  many  high-voltage   direct                                                              
current (HVDC) lines are in Alaska.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT said  none.  In further response  to Representative                                                              
Higgins, he  said one  line is under  consideration and  the "step                                                              
down" is included in the estimated price of $185 million.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIGGINS understood that  looping the  intertie and                                                              
the grid is important, but has heard no discussion about that.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT replied  that  parts  of the  grid  from Homer  to                                                              
Fairbanks  are looped  in the  MEA and  Chugach systems;  however,                                                              
there is  no dual capability  from Wasilla  to Healy.   From Healy                                                              
to  Fairbanks  there are  two  transmission  lines; in  fact,  the                                                              
abovementioned  infrastructure  would provide  looping  on all  of                                                              
the system.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON  asked how the amount of  increased power                                                              
generation  that  would  come  after  the  proposed  $902  million                                                              
investment  compares to  the  amount generated  by  Susitna-Watana                                                              
Hydro.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT  stated that  the  proposed investment  would  not                                                              
result  in a net  increase in  generation, but  would move  power.                                                              
In  further response  to  Representative  Josephson, he  clarified                                                              
that the  above projections  are  based on all  of the  generation                                                              
that  will  be   completed  by  2015,  including   the  new  South                                                              
Anchorage plant and the new generation by HEA and MEA.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON  questioned   whether  the  movement  of                                                              
power economizes the cost of power from new sources.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT explained  that economic dispatch  lowers the price                                                              
because the  consumer - no matter  their location in  the Railbelt                                                              
- gets access  to the cheapest source of generation;  for economic                                                              
dispatch  to  work,  the  system   needs  increased  capacity  and                                                              
reliability.   Further, with the  single line bringing  power from                                                              
Anchorage,  generation in the  north still  must be maintained  in                                                              
case of a transmission line failure.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ISAACSON assumed  AEA seeks to  build redundancy  before                                                              
increasing capacity on existing small lines, by various means.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  further advised  that adding redundancy  increases                                                              
capacity.    In  response  to  Co-Chair  Isaacson's  comment  that                                                              
adding  redundancy costs  more than  power-fitting existing  lines                                                              
because of rights-of-way  and permitting, he pointed  out that the                                                              
above improvements  include investments  to the existing  wires so                                                              
they can  carry more  power; however,  as more  power goes  across                                                              
the lines, line  losses increase by a factor of four.   In further                                                              
response  to Representative  Josephson,  he  said  IPP stands  for                                                              
independent power  producer, and the whole transmission  system is                                                              
known  as   the  Railbelt   Transmission   System.    The   Alaska                                                              
Transmission System is the 170-mile portion owned by the state.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:41:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUGHES   expressed  her  understanding   that  the                                                              
Railbelt Transmission  System upgrades  would allow more  power to                                                              
move  more cheaply,  and  that the  upgrades  are  also needed  if                                                              
Susitna-Watana  Hydro  comes  online.    Also, if  more  power  is                                                              
generated in Southcentral, why would we "move it away?"                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  confirmed  that this system  could carry  Susitna-                                                              
Watana Hydro  power, but included  in the cost  of the dam  is the                                                              
transmission   line   to  carry   the   power  to   the   Railbelt                                                              
Transmission  System.    In  further  response  to  Representative                                                              
Hughes,  he said  the  proposed $902  million  investment is  "the                                                              
optimum system  that you would  like to see  in place so  that you                                                              
would be  able to do,  optimize your hydro-to-hydro  coordination,                                                              
operate Susitna  in such a manner  ... [that] would  allow optimum                                                              
use  of  those   facilities  ...."    Furthermore,   the  proposed                                                              
investment takes  into account the  new generation  under contract                                                              
to  be  built.    Regarding  IPPs,  he  related  that  the  Alaska                                                              
Independent   Power  Producers   Association   (AIPPA)  would   be                                                              
supportive  of the  upgrades because  the new  system will  accept                                                              
new sources of power into the system.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES  asked for the  number and location  of IPPs                                                              
in the state.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT  was  unsure  of  the  number,  noting  that  IPPs                                                              
include  Cook Inlet  Region, Incorporated  (CIRI), Aurora  Energy,                                                              
and Delta  Wind.   In further response  to Representative  Hughes,                                                              
he said he would  provide an estimate of the combined  capacity of                                                              
IPPs in the Railbelt.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:46:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ISAACSON suggested  some  of this  information could  be                                                              
found in the AEA Alaska Railbelt Transmission Plan.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIGGINS  stated his  support for the  investment of                                                              
$903 million and  for the building of any infrastructure  in order                                                              
to [prepare for] the future.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ISAACSON  asked the  presenter what  fees may  be charged                                                              
to whom to "economically  build this out."  He  questioned whether                                                              
the  connection will  run the  full line  between Fairbanks,  Tok,                                                              
Glennallen,  Anchorage, and  Valdez so to  benefit businesses  and                                                              
consumers along the  entire road system, and thus  reduce the cost                                                              
per customer.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  informed  the committee the  related study  looked                                                              
at  the  power  supply  from  north   to  south;  however,  it  is                                                              
preferred  to establish  a  mechanism that  systematically  allows                                                              
improvements of  this nature to be  made, and that can  be used as                                                              
a model for other  projects to connect other areas  in the future.                                                              
He  explained   why  there  is   a  preference  for   establishing                                                              
reliability standards and an entity to keep them up-to-date.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ISAACSON   recalled  other  legislators   indicate  that                                                              
because there  are few miles to  be completed to connect  the road                                                              
system  in this area,  the legislature  may want  to evaluate  the                                                              
entire  road system  prior  to making  final  decisions about  the                                                              
Railbelt.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT   opined  further   evaluation  would   require  a                                                              
different study  for extending  power to  Copper Valley  and other                                                              
areas that have  different economics due to the  small user loads.                                                              
Previous studies  on the  capital costs  of a proposed  connection                                                              
would need to be updated.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:51:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NAGEAK  observed  the  discussion  is  related  to                                                              
reducing the  cost of power  for those  who already pay  less than                                                              
residents  off the  road and rail  systems, and  also having  this                                                              
reduction capitalized by the state.  He remarked:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     I know  population rules, but  at the same time  ... the                                                                   
     people  in the rest  of Alaska  pay horrendous costs  to                                                                   
     provide energy  to their homes  and to their  towns, and                                                                   
     I  heard during  the  presentation  that the  lines  are                                                                   
     limited  to those,  to  the Railbelt,  and  to the  road                                                                   
     system,  and ...  you would  have to  have interties  if                                                                   
     you wanted  to put  [power] in  other villages or  towns                                                                   
     along  the system right?   OK,  I just  want to know  if                                                                   
     we, ever, we  come to a place where we have  the courage                                                                   
     and the  [wherewithal] to  try and  connect the rest  of                                                                   
     the  state to  power transmission.  ... Can  we use  the                                                                   
     system  lines  or  do  we have  to  build  a  completely                                                                   
     different structure to [be able] to do that?                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  affirmed that the  mechanism to move  forward with                                                              
the proposed investment  may have some application  in other areas                                                              
of  the state.    He said  he  is aware  of  the  desire of  rural                                                              
communities  to connect  in  order to  benefit  from economies  of                                                              
scale.  There  is also the desire  by the utilities for  the state                                                              
to  fund  [the proposed]  infrastructure;  however,  the  Railbelt                                                              
utilities  realize that  "money is  tight" thus  the consumers  in                                                              
the Railbelt  may have to  consider that they  may pay at  least a                                                              
portion  the  infrastructure.   The  ultimate  benefit  is to  the                                                              
consumer.  He  stressed that the difficulties in  rural Alaska are                                                              
the  distances,   terrain,   and  small   consumer  loads.     Mr.                                                              
Therriault  concluded, "That's not  to say  that a mechanism  that                                                              
would work  for the  Railbelt might not  have some application  in                                                              
the future in a rural setting."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:55:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NAGEAK reminded  the committee  at one time  there                                                              
was no  road between  Anchorage and Fairbanks.   The  Territory of                                                              
Alaska and  the State of Alaska  connected the population  centers                                                              
and towns  in between.   He acknowledged that  it may be  hard for                                                              
others to  understand the need  to connect  the rest of  the state                                                              
to  the  Railbelt  communities  in  order to  lower  the  cost  of                                                              
business  and energy,  and urged  for legislators  to think  about                                                              
how to get to resources, instead of thinking in the short-term.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ISAACSON agreed that is the charge of the committee.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   HUGHES   appreciated    the   remarks   made   by                                                              
Representatives   Nageak  and  Higgins   and  asked   whether  the                                                              
proposed  upgrades would  be sufficient to  support future  mining                                                              
development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  said the  AEA consultant  took into  consideration                                                              
additional demand  and the  loss of demand  in its analyses.   The                                                              
consultant  met with  each utility  in charge  of each  geographic                                                              
area  to determine  how  the  system  would interact,  and  Golden                                                              
Valley Electric  Association specifically  raised questions  about                                                              
the impact of mining activities.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:00:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 9:00 a.m. to 9:03 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:     ALASKA   INDUSTRIAL   DEVELOPMENT  AND   EXPORT                                                              
AUTHORITY and ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY                                                                                           
    PRESENTATION:  ALASKA INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND EXPORT                                                                 
             AUTHORITY and ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
9:04:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
CO-CHAIR  ISAACSON  announced that  the  final order  of  business                                                              
would be  a presentation on the  Interior Energy Project  (IEP) by                                                              
the  Alaska Industrial  Development and  Export Authority  (AIDEA)                                                              
and the Alaska Energy Authority (AEA).                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:04:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK DAVIS,  Deputy Director,  Infrastructure Development,  Alaska                                                              
Industrial  Development and Export  Authority (AIDEA),  Department                                                              
of Commerce,  Community &  Economic Development (DCCED),  directed                                                              
attention  to  the  PowerPoint  presentation  entitled,  "Interior                                                              
Energy  Project Bringing  North  Slope Natural  Gas to  Alaskans,"                                                              
dated  2/12/14.   He  informed the  committee  AIDEA  and AEA  are                                                              
working jointly  on a  project to  move gas  from the North  Slope                                                              
into liquefied natural  gas (LNG), and transport the  LNG by truck                                                              
down the  James W.  Dalton Highway to  a regasification  plant for                                                              
use  in the  Interior, and  later for  other areas  of the  state.                                                              
The first  segment of the  project is the  construction of  an LNG                                                              
plant at Prudhoe  Bay that is to be completed by  the end of 2015.                                                              
Project funding  for the  plant is  a mixture  of AIDEA  loans and                                                              
private  money.   The second  segment is  transportation down  the                                                              
Dalton Highway  by private trucking  companies contracted  by each                                                              
utility,  although  AIDEA  may  provide  financing  for  trailers.                                                              
Distribution  includes storage  and  regasification in  Fairbanks,                                                              
and an AIDEA  loan through Northrim Bank to Fairbanks  Natural Gas                                                              
(FNG)  was  approved 1/14/14  to  build  five million  gallons  of                                                              
storage [slide  3].   Mr. Davis  explained the  IEP goals  are: to                                                              
supply natural  gas to Alaska,  particularly the Interior,  at the                                                              
lowest cost  possible, to  as many Alaskans  as possible,  as soon                                                              
as possible; to  provide propane from the gas stream  to those not                                                              
on  a  natural  gas  distribution  system;  to  model  alternative                                                              
sources of  supply such as a  pipeline; and to  use private-sector                                                              
mechanisms such  as the storage  facility in Fairbanks  [slide 4].                                                              
Turning   to  financing,   Mr.   Davis  said   the   legislature's                                                              
appropriation  to  the  project  provided AIDEA  $125  million  in                                                              
Sustainable  Energy Transmission  Supply (SETS) financing  through                                                              
Senate Bill 25,  passed in the 27th Alaska State  Legislature.  In                                                              
addition,  Senate  Bill  23,  passed  in  the  28th  Alaska  State                                                              
Legislature,  allows AIDEA to  provide loans  for this  project at                                                              
up  to 3 percent  interest  instead of  its usual  rate of  market                                                              
index.   Also,  a capital appropriation of $57.5  million from the                                                              
SETS fund  into AIDEA's  revolving fund, and  $150 million  in new                                                              
bonds,  are   available  for  the   North  Slope  plant   and  gas                                                              
distribution system  [slide 5].  He continued to  explain that the                                                              
sale priorities  for  the project  are to supply  gas as  follows:                                                              
for  residential  and  commercial   space  heating  that  will  be                                                              
distributed  largely in  the Fairbanks  North  Star Borough  area;                                                              
for electric utilities  in and outside of the  Fairbanks area; for                                                              
industrial customers;  and for other  utilities.  As an  aside, he                                                              
noted that  at this time the  technology does not exist  to supply                                                              
LNG  to  small  communities  due  to  storage  problems,  but  new                                                              
technology   is  anticipated  so   non-regulated  utilities   were                                                              
included  in the  sale  priorities  at the  request  of the  North                                                              
Slope  Borough  (NSB).   A  permit to  build  the  plant has  been                                                              
issued by NSB,  and NSB and AIDEA are exploring  possibilities for                                                              
the future.  The  final sale priority is for open  market sales of                                                              
excess LNG [slide 6].                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:12:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  directed attention to  the following completed  project                                                              
milestones:   project pre-feasibility  analysis  by HDR,  Inc. and                                                              
MEI, LLC, determined  the project could deliver gas  by late 2015,                                                              
at a price of  about $15 into the Fairbanks region;  a North Slope                                                              
plant plan  of development was completed  and a consortium  of MWH                                                              
Americas,  Inc.  and its  investors  was  chosen for  the  project                                                              
proponent;  the private  partner  due diligence  and  negotiations                                                              
process was  completed; bids  to build  the pad  in the  summer of                                                              
2014 were  received; and  a bid  to deliver  equipment by  June of                                                              
2015  was   received.    On   the  distribution   side,  completed                                                              
milestones   are:    the   demand  and   conversion  analysis   is                                                              
completed; the  Regulatory Commission  of Alaska (RCA)  issued its                                                              
decision  that  resolved  service area  issues;  the  distribution                                                              
cost project estimate  by AEA has been completed;  and FNG storage                                                              
tank  financing  has been  approved.    At  this time  a  six-year                                                              
build-out time is estimated for the project [slide 7].                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:15:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIGGINS expressed  his understanding that  natural                                                              
gas was to be available in Fairbanks in 2016.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  explained  that first  gas should  be available  in the                                                              
fourth quarter  of 2015; AIDEA is  in the process of  working with                                                              
both utilities "to  have pipe in the ground in  2014, 2015, 2016."                                                              
He turned  to the project  schedule, noting  that the  schedule is                                                              
"on track;"  in fact, the air  permitting permit to  allow venting                                                              
of  carbon  dioxide was  applied  for  on  1/31/14 and  should  be                                                              
received from the  Department of Environmental  Conservation (DEC)                                                              
by September  of  this year.   Other permits  are  in place  or in                                                              
progress, and  many should be received  by 3/1/14 [slide  8].  The                                                              
plant is  expected to  be located in  Deadhorse, and  will utilize                                                              
fuel gas  which is available from  the North Slope  producers from                                                              
the fuel  gas pipeline [slide  9].     Mr. Davis restated  that on                                                              
1/14/14 the  AIDEA board selected  a consortium headed by  MWH and                                                              
Northleaf, an investor-partner.   A letter of  intent was executed                                                              
on 2/3/14  which established the  parameters of the LNG  plant and                                                              
the financing  between AIDEA and  MWH.  Proposed financing  is for                                                              
$100 million of AIDEA financing and approximately $80 million-                                                                  
$90 million  of private investment,  which will be paid  back from                                                              
plant revenues.   Although eventually  the investors will  own the                                                              
plant, AIDEA  seeks to have  some control  of the plant  by taking                                                              
the lease in its  name and requiring loan covenants.   The Project                                                              
Development Agreement  (PDA) for  the commercial structure  of the                                                              
project  will  finalize in  March,  2014,  and then  LNG  purchase                                                              
agreements with  potential customers  will be secured.   Potential                                                              
customers are    the  Interior Alaska  Natural Gas Utility  (IGU),                                                              
FNG, and Golden Valley Electrical Association (GVEA) [slide 10].                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:20:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GENE  THERRIAULT,   Deputy  Director,   Statewide  Energy   Policy                                                              
Development,  AEA, Department  of Commerce,  Community &  Economic                                                              
Development  (DCCED),  displayed  a  map  entitled,  "Natural  Gas                                                              
Service Areas," and  explained that this map is the  result of the                                                              
RCA final  decision issued 12/20/13  on who would serve  the high-                                                              
and  medium-density  areas of  the  Fairbanks North  Star  Borough                                                              
(FNSB).   Fairbanks  Natural  Gas presently  brings  LNG from  the                                                              
Wasilla  area  to  1,100  customers.   Customer  demand  in  FNG's                                                              
service area  is 70-75 percent of  the total FNSB demand,  and RCA                                                              
determined IGU would  service the new territory shown  on the map.                                                              
He stated that  IGU is a municipal  utility that was started  as a                                                              
cooperative between  the three municipalities within  FNSB.  Based                                                              
on  AEA's  estimate  of  the  number  of  miles  of  pipe  needed,                                                              
additional  distribution  pipes in  FNG's  service territory  will                                                              
cost  $31 million,  and  additional  distribution  pipes in  IGU's                                                              
service territory will cost $156 million [slide 11].                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON pointed  out that  1,100 residents  have                                                              
access  to  natural  gas  at  this  time,  and  there  are  90,000                                                              
residents  in FNSB.   He questioned  how, in  this timeline,  even                                                              
with  the proposed  expenditures  shown on  slide  11, [access  to                                                              
natural  gas for  all  consumers]  will be  available  in time  to                                                              
reduce cost and to address air quality problems.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  agreed the cost  of energy and air  quality issues                                                              
are very important  to residents and local officials.   Within the                                                              
FNG  service area,  which  is about  70  percent  of the  feasible                                                              
demand, AEA  believes building a  distribution system  is possible                                                              
in  two  or three  years;  however,  the  outlying areas  will  be                                                              
delayed.    In  addition,  AEA believes  the  delivered  price  to                                                              
consumers  will be  $14.50-$17 per  1,000 cubic  feet (Mcf)  - the                                                              
community's target price  was $15 per Mcf - which  is one-half the                                                              
price  of oil  per British  thermal unit  (Btu) when  fuel oil  is                                                              
about $4 [per gallon].                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:26:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIGGINS provided  a brief  history of  FNG in  the                                                              
Fairbanks  area  and asked  how  AEA  will  ensure that  IGU  will                                                              
"deliver" in a timely manner.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT   opined   IGU's  motivation   is  to  "get   that                                                              
distribution system  pushed out as far as possible,  as quickly as                                                              
possible;"  in fact,  that is  the case  IGU made  to RCA.    As a                                                              
municipal entity,  IGU does  not have a  profit motive.   Although                                                              
homeowners  will not be  forced to  hook up  to the pipeline,  the                                                              
price of gas  should be a sufficient  incentive.  If IGU  does not                                                              
perform, RCA has the authority to "question" the utility.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   HIGGINS   deduced   there  are   no   performance                                                              
guarantees in the contract.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  added that AIDEA  can reserve a percentage  of the                                                              
capital paid to the utility through contractual means.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS  confirmed  that  the   RCA  order  does  not  have  an                                                              
enforcement  mechanism; however,  AIDEA seeks  a scheduled  build-                                                              
out and  will ask for  certain performances  from each  utility in                                                              
order to  have cash flowing  and pay back  the loan.   Also, there                                                              
will be  a commercial  structure  that is dependent  upon  a rapid                                                              
build-out.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NAGEAK  recalled  discussion  last  year  included                                                              
[propane]  drop-off  points  along  the  Yukon  River,  the  North                                                              
Slope, and  in coastal  Alaska.  He  asked whether these  projects                                                              
are included in the proposal.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT  said,  "That  certainly   is  something  that  we                                                              
anticipate  ... the  possibility of,"  and affirmed  that the  LNG                                                              
plant  is expandable.   The core  demand from  FNSB justifies  the                                                              
building of the  plant; however, the governor intends  to have the                                                              
resource available  to a larger geographic area  after the initial                                                              
project establishes  the delivered  price in bulk.   Subsequently,                                                              
after the  lowest price  is established,  AEA will understand  the                                                              
economics  of  delivering  to  rural  and  semi-rural  areas;  for                                                              
instance,  one  possibility would  be  by  delivery on  a  surface                                                              
transportation  link  between the  Yukon  River to  the  Kuskokwim                                                              
River, but at this time the economics are unknown.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:32:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NAGEAK recalled:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Last  year  when we  were  discussing  this ...  I  kept                                                                   
     bringing  this up:  to have  access to the  rest of  the                                                                   
     people [for]  who[m], right now,  the cost of  energy is                                                                   
     so ...  high.  And I wanted  to make that sure  [at] the                                                                   
     outset ...  when we  make the plans  that we would  have                                                                   
     an  access  point  along  the   Yukon  River  and  barge                                                                   
     propane to  those villages.   We talked about  that, and                                                                   
     also  in  the  North  Slope.    That  was  part  of  the                                                                   
     discussions  we had,  and  I thought  that  when we  ...                                                                   
     approved this project that those were in place ....                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NAGEAK  pointed out that  the area of  expansion is                                                              
along the  road and  rail system  out of  Fairbanks.   He strongly                                                              
questioned  why propane  delivery along  the Yukon  River and  the                                                              
coast is not in the plan.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  said the plan  is to expand  the plant after  anchoring                                                              
the project  with sales  in the  Fairbanks area.   To ensure  that                                                              
the expansion  takes place,  the MWH group  has agreed to  issue a                                                              
letter  of  credit  for  expansion  of the  plant  after  cash  is                                                              
flowing  from  the core  area,  and  money  will be  available  to                                                              
expand without further state funds.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ISAACSON referred  to slide  11 and  clarified that  the                                                              
IGU service  area is a  census area known  as the population  area                                                              
of  FNSB, which  includes 80  percent of  the population.   It  is                                                              
especially  important  to get  natural  gas in  two  of the  areas                                                              
there  because   of  very   poor  air  quality.     He   said  his                                                              
understanding  is FNSB  is the anchor  tenant  that must first  be                                                              
established to make  it feasible to truck LNG along  the river and                                                              
out to village distribution.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:36:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NAGEAK  emphasized   that  it  would  be  cheaper,                                                              
instead of  trucking LNG  back up  to the Yukon  River, to  have a                                                              
drop-off and distribution point on the Yukon River.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  said the  shaded area on  [slide 11]  is identical                                                              
to last year's  presentation, and there has been  no new expansion                                                              
in the target distribution  area.  The delivery of  LNG or propane                                                              
along  the  transportation  system,  or further  beyond  FNSB,  is                                                              
possible if  there is an LNG  storage mechanism.  He  reminded the                                                              
committee that  the amount  of propane produced  by the  LNG plant                                                              
will  be  modest  and  AEA  is looking  for  a  customer  for  the                                                              
propane, and he  encouraged an interested village  or rural entity                                                              
to  approach AIDEA  about access  to LNG  or propane.   He  opined                                                              
prospective  customers in  rural areas  are waiting  to know  what                                                              
the delivered cost will be.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON recalled  there was previous  discussion                                                              
about  a "mobility  feature"  of  the plant  -  or key  components                                                              
thereof - in order  to benefit the Ambler mining  district, and he                                                              
assumed this was still possible.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT  confirmed  that  the Ambler  mining  district  is                                                              
interested in LNG  because it could be delivered  along a proposed                                                              
road.   Regarding the mobility  of the  plant, the AIDEA  board of                                                              
directors  is hoping  a  gas pipeline  across  the  state will  be                                                              
built soon  and is  mindful of  using LNG  components that  can be                                                              
used  post-pipeline;  for  example,  to  build  another  plant  in                                                              
Fairbanks,  and,  using  feedstock  from  a  future  pipeline,  to                                                              
supply LNG to rural areas or towns along the Richardson Highway.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON recalled  his experience  living in  the                                                              
Russian  Mission area  and asked  how LNG would  be moved  between                                                              
the Yukon and Kuskokwim Rivers.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:42:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT said  a group has studied a  surface transportation                                                              
link  between the  two water  systems.   In  response to  Co-Chair                                                              
Isaacson,  he said  the group  was  from Bethel.   Mr.  Therriault                                                              
assured the committee  that AEA continues to look  at the delivery                                                              
of LNG  along coastal Alaska,  examining the economics  and demand                                                              
and  providing  information  to  communities.   He  described  how                                                              
diesel fuel can  be delivered to a village on a  river system from                                                              
a barge;  however, delivering LNG  along a river system  using ISO                                                              
containers   would  require   heavy-lift   capabilities  and   new                                                              
infrastructure.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUGHES  referred   to  the  requirement  that  MWH                                                              
dedicate money  for future  expansion and  asked about  the timing                                                              
[of expansion] and  how much money "have they parked."   Also, she                                                              
inquired  as  to the  capacity  of  the  expansion, and  how  many                                                              
villages could be served.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  opined the  first expansion would  be an  increase from                                                              
nine billion  cubic feet  (Bcf) to  twelve Bcf,  which would  be a                                                              
$30  million expansion;  that  increase  would serve  the  service                                                              
areas shown  on [slide 11]  with excess for shipping  "elsewhere."                                                              
He  cautioned  that at  this  time  using  ISO containers  is  not                                                              
feasible, but AIDEA  has agreed to name NSB as a  customer for gas                                                              
"if and when  infrastructure and technology becomes  available for                                                              
them to  use the gas in  the communities on  the Slope."   The LNG                                                              
plant  should last  30-40 years  and can  be used  to serve  other                                                              
customers and the mines if the pipeline reaches Fairbanks.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES  restated her  question as to  what specific                                                              
villages would  be served  after the first  expansion.   Also, she                                                              
asked  whether  there  are economic  indicators  that  would  stop                                                              
expansion.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  said there  are two models:   1.  if a pipeline  comes,                                                              
what is the future  of the plant; 2. if a pipeline  does not come,                                                              
the use of  the plant increases.   These are two  separate models,                                                              
although AIDEA  is committed,  along with  AEA, to delivering  the                                                              
most  gas   to  the  most  Alaskans   at  the  best  price.     In                                                              
anticipation of  changing technology, he reiterated  that AIDEA is                                                              
in  discussions  with  NSB,  and  mining  interests,  which  could                                                              
benefit villages.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ISAACSON directed attention back to the project.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NAGEAK  declared  his  intention  to  ensure  that                                                              
AIDEA  and other  state agencies  follow  up and  make sure  there                                                              
will be  drop-off points for  LNG or propane  on the  Yukon River,                                                              
and  along the  coast,  as part  of the  project.   He  explained,                                                              
"Because that is  what we were talking about last  year, now we're                                                              
just saying we  [have to] do all  of this first ...  but I thought                                                              
I made  it clear ..."   Representative Nageak stressed  that plans                                                              
for  the aforementioned  components  are  to  be included  in  the                                                              
money spent for this project.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ISAACSON  asked the presenters,  "Are you or are  you not                                                              
considering  the distribution of  ... the  trucked LNG  or propane                                                              
to the communities  - other than Fairbanks and North  Pole - along                                                              
the transportation corridor?"                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT responded,  "This  infrastructure  is designed  so                                                              
that  it  ...  can  accommodate  that demand."    In  response  to                                                              
Representative Foster,  he said the plant can be  expanded to meet                                                              
whatever volume of demand is presented.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  clarified  that the plant  allows  for expansion  to 20                                                              
Bcf on its current pad, if needed.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ISAACSON  described  a  scenario in  which  the  desired                                                              
delivered price  is not met and  the trucking [of LNG]  is through                                                              
private contractors.   He said his constituents,  contractors, and                                                              
local  officials question  whether any  of the  money provided  by                                                              
Senate  Bill 23  can  be used  to subsidize  the  private-contract                                                              
trucking  portion and  reduce the  delivered price  to that  which                                                              
will incentivize customers to convert.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  advised that the  current commercial structure  directs                                                              
that   approximately  $30-$35   million  of   the  $57.5   million                                                              
appropriation  will be  put into  the  plant, with  a $10  million                                                              
contingency.   If  the  contingency  is not  needed,  it could  be                                                              
available to lend,  although AIDEA does not  subsidize "anything."                                                              
The  Department  of  Law has  informed  AIDEA  the  aforementioned                                                              
money  could  be used  to  help  finance  trucking trailers.    In                                                              
response to Co-Chair  Isaacson, he said AIDEA cannot  make grants,                                                              
but "it can  model the money as  it deems fit to make  the project                                                              
work, which means it can be very patient capital."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:53:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   ISAACSON   expressed    the   understanding   of   many                                                              
legislators that [the $57.5 million] was the grant.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  explained that if AIDEA  puts $35 million of  the $57.5                                                              
million  into  the  plant,  AIDEA will  only  recover  that  money                                                              
should the plant  be sold at a  certain point of time  - the money                                                              
would not be  part of the debt  service of the plant,  which means                                                              
there is no return on the money.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT directed  attention to the economics  of delivering                                                              
LNG to the  consumer after its production, trucking,  and storage.                                                              
His agency studied  the social science of  incentivizing consumers                                                              
to  convert to  natural gas.   Interior  Gas  Utility conducted  a                                                              
telephone survey and  a consultant for AEA formed  focus groups in                                                              
the  community to  educate residents  on the  cost of  conversion,                                                              
and  to  determine  their  interest.   The  study  showed  that  a                                                              
delivered  price of approximately  $15 would  convince a  majority                                                              
of consumers  to convert.   The timing  of a homeowner's  decision                                                              
to convert is also  important.  The cost of conversion  varies for                                                              
individual  homeowners,  but  to  swap an  entire  heating  system                                                              
costs $9,000-$11,000  per home  in order to  achieve a  savings of                                                              
$2,000-$2,500 per  year.  Further, the study  showed Fairbanks has                                                              
a  fairly   transient  population   due   to  influences   of  the                                                              
University of  Alaska Fairbanks and  the military base,  which may                                                              
discourage  conversion,  so  there  is  a  need  for  an  "on-bill                                                              
financing mechanism"  as a  way to amortize  the cost  [slide 12].                                                              
In response  to Co-Chair Isaacson,  he opined there would  need to                                                              
be  statutory   changes  to  allow   a  utility  to   employ  this                                                              
mechanism.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  interjected that  since IGA is  a borough  utility, the                                                              
financing mechanism may be authorized by a borough ordinance.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT turned  to  slide 15,  which  showed the  expected                                                              
growth  of  demand for  gas  from  2013  to  2030.   He  described                                                              
different possibilities for GVEA.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:59:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIGGINS  observed that  studies are costly,  and he                                                              
recommended that  legislators base  their opinions on  the results                                                              
of this study and take action.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT acknowledged  that  the AEA  social science  study                                                              
was small in size.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  cautioned the timing of  the demand of LNG  affects its                                                              
delivered price into the borough area.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  concluded  that AEA believes  the delivered  price                                                              
will motivate most  consumers to convert, and  assistance programs                                                              
will help a number of consumers [slide 16].                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:01:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Special Committee on Energy meeting was adjourned at [10:01]                                                                    
a.m.                                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
ENE - PRESENTATION - AEA Transmission 02.12.14.pdf HENE 2/12/2014 8:00:00 AM
(H) ENE AEA Transmission 02122014
ENE -PRESENTATION - AIDEA IEP 2.10.14 Final.pdf HENE 2/12/2014 8:00:00 AM
(H) ENE AIDEA IEP 02122014
Meeting Agenda - House Energy Committee 28th AK Legislature DRAFT 4 (02-12-14).pdf HENE 2/12/2014 8:00:00 AM